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Happy New Year, everyone! This is my first post here, and I finally decided to ask something that's been confusing me for quite a while. I've tried looking it up on the Sailor Moon wiki, but the answers I get are vague.

From what I understand, at least in the anime baby Hotaru is left with her father at the end of S (Season 4). But at some point she's the adopted daughter of Haruka and Michiru. From what I understand, Pluto brings her to them ... at some point. And then we get the adorable little family we all coo over in turns.

So, why does Pluto take baby Hotaru from her father, who's obviously happy to be reunited with her when we last see him. I'm left with the vague impression Pluto kidnaps her...

Second question, which I'm gonna put under a cut because it's extremely spoiler-y for Stars.

When they're pulling their insane fake Heel Face Turn in Stars to get close to Galaxia so they can attempt to assassinate her, Uranus and Neptune kill Pluto, and, more horrifyingly, Saturn. I've not seen this season, but I have to ask given the sheer amount of fun fans have with the Haruka-papa/Michiru-mama/Hotaru family unit: do they EVER show any remorse for doing this? It's one thing to believe they'd freely kill her in S. But by Stars she's apparently effectively their child. So they murder their child to facilitate an undercover mission that arguably is motivated by their own hubris, as they are completely wrong and arrogant in their assumption they can kill Galaxia where presumably dozens/hundreds of other Senshi *teams* failed. It's difficult to believe in the genuineness of Haruka and Michiru's attachment to Hotaru after that. If they showed remorse at some point and are shown weighing their daughter against the fate of the universe/world and making a terribly difficult choice, that's one thing, but I don't believe they are. It's too easy to believe they go back to viewing her as expendable like they did in S, that's hard to stomach after they allow themselves to become her parents. ... In all honestly, as much as I love Haruka and Michiru and their relationship, most of the time I can't stand the way Uranus and Neptune treat the other Senshi, and this doesn't help.

Date: 2015-01-01 06:07 am (UTC)
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In the manga, Professor Tomoe dies at the end of the S arc, so Haruka, Michiru, and Setsuna chose to raise her directly from there. Most of the cute Outers!family stuff is coming from their manga interactions. (The manga, in turn, doesn't have the face-heel-turn bluff plan at all.) The anime had Hotaru reunited with her father, so the out-of-universe explanation is that the writers had to do something to bring the plot closer to what the manga was giving them.

In-universe, Hotaru starts rapidly growing up and developing Saturn-powers right after Setsuna picks her up. It would make sense if it flat-out wasn't safe to leave her with an ordinary human caretaker -- even if her father was in top physical shape, and he isn't, he's still recovering from extensive injuries. (He was heavily bandaged, in a sling, and in a wheelchair at the end of S.)

And that's not the kind of thing you can arrange through legal channels. "Your Honor, we ask you to rule that this parent is an unfit caretaker, on the grounds that he isn't prepared for this infant to morph into a teenage magical warrior of destruction over the course of a week."

It's a shame we never get anything more about Hotaru and her father after that, but Stars is really low on Outers interaction in general. I don't think there's anything wrong with assuming it happened.


As for the final-battle stuff: My impression has always been that Pluto and Saturn were in on the plan. Anyone pretending to join Galaxia would have to do something really dramatic to make it convincing. Killing your teammates fits the bill.

IMO Setsuna and Hotaru have enough of that Outers mindset to agree this level of self-sacrifice is necessary...but wouldn't be convincing if they were actually playing the "ice-cold ruthless traitor" roles. Haruka and Michiru can steel themselves long enough to bluff their way through it.

Also relevant: Hotaru has aged up to 14-15 at this point, in mind as well as body. She's as old as the Inners were when they first decided to die protecting Usagi. Haruka and Michiru themselves are only 17-18! It's ridiculously young by real-world standards, but you gotta be able to look at them through the lens of Magical Action Anime Teenager standards, too.

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